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The major points raised in the inintial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore." Community members pointed out that the claim that NAQT is not "pyramidal good quizbowl" is objectively false per the definition of [[good quizbowl]]. | The major points raised in the inintial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore." Community members pointed out that the claim that NAQT is not "pyramidal good quizbowl" is objectively false per the definition of [[good quizbowl]]. | ||
− | While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT did | + | While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT did provide clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized. After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms. |
==Arguments== | ==Arguments== |
Revision as of 15:00, 6 July 2021
The forum thread "HSNCT and its Problems"[1] was a thread started by Aadi Karthik in the lead-up to the 2021 HSNCT that summarized a number of issues with the logistics of HSNCT and with the operation of NAQT more generally.
The initial post was criticized for its poor tone and the naivete of the arguments presented regarding logistics, costs, and NAQT's finances.
Prologue
The 2021 season was marked by a rise in anti-NAQT sentiment among members of the high school community, largely centered around the hsquizbowl Discord. Throughout the regular season this manifested as widespread dismissal of IS sets in favor of housewrites like DART and STASH and (to some degree) the events run by AQBL. Some amount of this can be attributed to many members of the writing staff of these sets being active members of online spaces and actively proselytizing for their projects, but that behavior was not a new phenomenon. Regardless of the specific reasoning, it quickly became a popular opinion to think NAQT was a subpar quizbowl product and that the idiosyncrasies of the distribution (and in particular the mixed impure academic) were distinct negatives compared to mACF-style sets. Two months before HSNCT, a discussion of perceived flaws in the HSNCT set and the tournament itself in the hsquizbowl Discord culminated in the post.
Initial post
The major points raised in the inintial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT 'pyramidal good quizbowl' anymore." Community members pointed out that the claim that NAQT is not "pyramidal good quizbowl" is objectively false per the definition of good quizbowl.
While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,[2], and though NAQT did provide clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized. After the 2021 HSNCT, Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.
Arguments
The post's discussion of HSNCT's format and cost prompted many rebuttals.
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At $650 HSNCT was "far too expensive", particularly when compared to NSC ($450) and ONCT ($250) |
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HSNCT's price was not justified because it only guaranteed 8 rounds, while tournaments like SMH Southeast had 9 and NSC had 13 |
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HSNCT's use of double elimination is outdated and bad in comparison to a format using rebracketing; few tournaments still use double elimination. |
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NAQT should simply restrict its field size to make change to a different format possible. | While it's not an absurd idea that HSNCT limit its field to allow a better format, it would require cutting the majority of the field to implement this change - to have a format like NSC, one requires a field like NSC. The current format of HSNCT (with its split prelims on the card system and the double-elim playoffs) is the only reason it can be run at its current size, let alone expand (as it has historically done). |
NAQT should release its packets for free after they are clear, as is done with housewrites. |
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The discussion of difficulty received less scrutiny, as that is largely a subjective assessment. However, several posters disagreed with the conclusion[3] and pointed out that the post's statement that one bonus was significantly harder than another was largely based on the flawed method of using database hits to determine difficulty.[4]
The discussion of the mixed academic question on "souls" was largely invalidated, as the original post's determinations of importance criteria were widely deemed incorrect.
Aftermath
None of the counterpoints raised were addressed further publicly, with any discussion that did occur happening in the hsquizbowl Discord (effectively out of the public eye) or in private channels.
After HSNCT, Kevin Wang made an inflammatory post asking whether Aadi still believed in any of the points made in the original post, in particular criticizing the seeming hypocrisy of them attending HSNCT with the Lambert team (and performing well) after making the post. The response doubled down on the arguments regarding cost, prompting a final response by Patrick Matthews.[5]
The sentiments that led to the writing of the post persisted (and may continue to persist) long after - in a Discord discussion held after the final post in the thread, individuals claimed that "its a general consensus" that NAQT questions didn't meet modern standards[6][7] and that NAQT should just consider doing college mirrors of HSNCT[8]. Most sentiments were and still are due to improper understandings of the economics of quizbowl in general and NAQT in particular: disregarded claims include the beliefs that NAQT was not "even close to losing money" due to Buzzword,[9] that NAQT should make HSNCT at a loss,[10] that NAQT was not trying hard enough to lower prices,[11] and that NAQT doesn't pay a lot for rooms.[12]
References
- ↑ HSNCT and its Problems by etotheipi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm
- ↑ Re: HSNCT and its Problems by jonpin » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm
- ↑ Re: HSNCT and its Problems by Santa Claus » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 am
- ↑ Database Hits Do Not Determine Difficulty by Adventure Temple Trail » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:02 pm
- ↑ Re: HSNCT and its Problems by matthewspatrick » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:38 pm
- ↑ some of the questions just aren't up to the standard that we have in quiz bowl now days
- ↑ i believe its a general consensus
- ↑ for example, maybe naqt could seek college mirrors of hsnct? smh will likely be paying both its writers and editors pretty decently, and this is why
- ↑ I don’t think NAQT is even close to losing money, given the revenue Buzzword generates
- ↑ you can still make overpriced things at a loss
- ↑ this does not necessarily mean that naqt is maliciously raising their price! it just means that they are possibly not putting enough attention into getting costs down
- ↑ to be fair, it's really unlikely that it costs a lot for naqt to pay for rooms