What knowledge is not memorization? Past using logical deductions, isn't everything just part of those "factoids" that someone picked up? Furthermore, logical deductions requires at least a bare knowledge of the topic. What makes picking up rivers as a result of knowing rituals any more valid than learning roads from looking at maps. Furthermore, what about the huge number of literature questions that, if one sat down and read Benet's, would get. Is that just as almanac based as learning country codes? I just get frustrated when people strike down a particular area of knowledge because it sounds if they are too good for that topic. As I pontificated as a sophmore in High School, all knowledge is related because of the use of analogies and the abilities to see the trends, thus opening logical deductions, so no logic is not worth learning. If those trends are "secret codes" then why aren't ther all specifically taught in school. The only example of a code that I was taught is electron orbitals, but that only works with a periodic table, so just the element won't do. So if you ask me, I think that country codes have their place in the quizbowl world, but it should not supercede capitals or rivers. Perhaps a restructuring of the quizbowl requirements for packets is in order. Right now we reward and thus incite people to learn specific things. I know people who would sit down and actually learn things, like literature, or geography. Those cram sessions which are so common prior to a tournament are a perfect example of trying to memorize in hopes of doing better. The problem with the country codes was that they were over-used. I have seen many packets from the 5 years ago area, with many questions on country codes, so like everything in quizbowl, moderation is the key. Just as a side note, I think one of the places which uses application of knowledge is math calculation. Some things in calculation require knowledge of tricks and techniques, but quizbowl has declared calculation close to dead. Of course, this is the point of view of someone who like math, so take it for what its worth. Ben
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